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Autoselect a sequence based on condition, not working?

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I've been using cinemavision to simply create a sequences for a while now. I've reached a point where i want to "set it and forget it" so I have gone through my entire movie collection and tagged properly and imported the database into kodi. I've reached the stage where I have set up a new CV sequence to only play when (for example) Disney movies, action movies, comedy movies, etc,  are selected, CV pics the correct sequence based off of the genre or studio. My issue is that I've set the "autoselect" option to on" and set the condition in the menu to kick off based on the previously mentioned criteria. But this doesn't seem to work? ..... the only way i can get a sequence to kick off is by selecting "c" to get the context menu to come up, selecting Cinemavision, then choosing the sequence. 

Am I missing something somewhere or misunderstanding how this works? I thought the autoselect option would just kick off after the movie is selected in the Kodi library?

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What sequence is playing by default when you expect another to play?  Are you tagging your movies with multiple tags?  Like 'The Avengers' would be both a Disney and action movie.  You mentioned you tagged and imported the database to CV.  I presume that means you are tagging them in the database and not using .nfo files?

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Thanks for the reply, no sequence plays at all when i select a movie to simply play from the library. For right now, I was only testing animation(disney movies) For example, I was testing Aladdin; which the studio is listed as "Walt Disney Pictues" , So i set the Studio condition to the same in CV. I would expect CV to play the sequence when i select Aladdin from the library without any manual selection from a context menu. Is this how it "SHOULD" work or am i misunderstanding what autoselect really means?
When movies were tagged, they were done mostly via Tiny Media Manager to create the NFO file, then the movie files were scraped first to read only the local NFO file; which i believe imports the "Studio" tag...unless a tag is referred to as something else? 
 I did another test and broadened the scope to just Any movie to play and that also did not work. ....I'm sure it's something I'm missing or not understanding here....but I really have no guesses on what it could be. 

Hope this helps clarify 

Studio name presented in movie information

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Selection from Studio list in CV under Condition criteria

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Condition criteria in CV 

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It should be working as you presume.  I use TMM for .nfo file creation as well.  I'll check mine tonight and confirm that its working as it should.  I have a few setup for Atmos, DTSX and IMAX.  My kids aren't patient enough for CV it seems anymore.  I guess we indeed live in an instant gratification society. ^_^

 

I checked this evening and mine are working.  I'm using tags though and not studios.  I checked and apparently studios aren't listed as tags.  You should still have a default sequence that runs if it meets no criteria.  Try using a vanilla sequence to make sure it's working, then modify it and save it as a different sequence that includes your criteria and then see if it works.

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Interesting. Ok I'll check setting it as a "tag", Thank you for checking that. 

 

*update* 
I tried setting the condition for a "tag" function using the tag "Sultan" as that is listed as a tag in TMM for Aladdin and I seem to get the same result?...The movie just plays as normal when selecting it from the library, no CV sequence. 

 

Maybe worth mentioning ? I'm using CV ver 1.1.1A12

 

 

 

 

 

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It only runs if I kick it off manually via the context menu while I'm in the library. I tried loading the default 2d sequence, setting all conditions to any and it still doesn't kick off when selecting a movie. ....Only when I am in the library, select "C' on the keyboard to bring up the context menu, select CV then play, does it kick off the sequence. 

Come to think of it, this has never worked automatically....so is there a plugin or something that i need to get CV to recognize the conditions? There is no errors in the logs which leads me to believe that something has not been added yet...

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Glad someone brought this up because I am having issues with this as well. I tag my movies by Genre-aspect ratio-sound format. Example if I have a movie like Avenger: Infinity War, it is tagged Superhero-2.35-Atmos. If I have another movie like Harry Potter that is just in 5.1, its Fantasy-2.35-5.1 For the most part, I can get a sequence to show up but if say I have movie that is Superhero-2.35-7.1 the other sequence that is atmos will show up rather then the correct one. I also use TMM to manage my media.

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3 minutes ago, shredder said:

It only runs if I kick it off manually via the context menu while I'm in the library. I tried loading the default 2d sequence, setting all conditions to any and it still doesn't kick off when selecting a movie. ....Only when I am in the library, select "C' on the keyboard to bring up the context menu, select CV then play, does it kick off the sequence. 

Come to think of it, this has never worked automatically....so is there a plugin or something that i need to get CV to recognize the conditions? There is no errors in the logs which leads me to believe that something has not been added yet...

What skin are you using?  You are starting the movie using Cinema Mode rather than just Play, correct?

5 minutes ago, dyhometheaterguy said:

Glad someone brought this up because I am having issues with this as well. I tag my movies by Genre-aspect ratio-sound format. Example if I have a movie like Avenger: Infinity War, it is tagged Superhero-2.35-Atmos. If I have another movie like Harry Potter that is just in 5.1, its Fantasy-2.35-5.1 For the most part, I can get a sequence to show up but if say I have movie that is Superhero-2.35-7.1 the other sequence that is atmos will show up rather then the correct one. I also use TMM to manage my media.

So, we're talking about audio detection for the most part?  You may want to check your tags to ensure it's not listed as Atmos as I think CV can auto detect 7.1, but not Atmos.  If your Atmos sequence is firing on a non-Atmos title, I would suspect you may have a tag in there somewhere.  Double check the .nfo file for the movie.

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Aeon MQ7 mod for Leia by MarcosQui Mod by Latts Ver 1.0.2.5 - 6/21/2020 

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is Cinema Mode? 

But to Answer your question, I would suppose I'm just pressing "Play" as that would be the default action assigned to the selection of a movie in a library

 

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I do not think you can set CV up as the default action when selecting a movie.  In Kodi under settings-media-videos, you can change your default action to show information rather than play.  From there you can select Cinema Mode.  At least that how I do it so it's only two clicks.  You'd probably have to change something in advancedsettings.xml to change the default to CV, but I don't recall seeing any documentation on that.

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46 minutes ago, OTA said:

What skin are you using?  You are starting the movie using Cinema Mode rather than just Play, correct?

So, we're talking about audio detection for the most part?  You may want to check your tags to ensure it's not listed as Atmos as I think CV can auto detect 7.1, but not Atmos.  If your Atmos sequence is firing on a non-Atmos title, I would suspect you may have a tag in there somewhere.  Double check the .nfo file for the movie.

I am actually not using audio detection in the traditional sense. If I have an atmos movie on the audio bumper tab I just select atmos rather than let it detect because I was running into problems with it thinking it was just standard dolby digital for some reason on auto-detect and yes I do have atmos in the filename. I still have not figured out why that is happening either.

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After doing some additional looking and thinking, I still don't understand what the point of setting a "condition" is if i still have to manually select CV and the sequence anyway? Even when going into the CV menu option in the movie info screen, I still have to select which sequence I want to use. Perhaps i have some documentation to read, but as of this moment, this seems like a pretty useless feature. 

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10 hours ago, shredder said:

After doing some additional looking and thinking, I still don't understand what the point of setting a "condition" is if i still have to manually select CV and the sequence anyway? Even when going into the CV menu option in the movie info screen, I still have to select which sequence I want to use. Perhaps i have some documentation to read, but as of this moment, this seems like a pretty useless feature. 

I wouldn't say its useless but there are definitely some bugs that need to be addressed and fixed whenever time permits. There has not seem to have been a major update to this in some time. 

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21 hours ago, dyhometheaterguy said:

I am actually not using audio detection in the traditional sense. If I have an atmos movie on the audio bumper tab I just select atmos rather than let it detect because I was running into problems with it thinking it was just standard dolby digital for some reason on auto-detect and yes I do have atmos in the filename. I still have not figured out why that is happening either.

I think that started with a revision in 18.  My Atmos also is detected as Dolby Digital 7.1, even though I have it tagged and a condition met.  It used to work, but no longer does, so I'm presuming that KODI auto-detecting the audio is overwriting my tag.

12 hours ago, shredder said:

After doing some additional looking and thinking, I still don't understand what the point of setting a "condition" is if i still have to manually select CV and the sequence anyway? Even when going into the CV menu option in the movie info screen, I still have to select which sequence I want to use. Perhaps i have some documentation to read, but as of this moment, this seems like a pretty useless feature. 

I do not have to select a sequence.  Mine automatically does it using the auto-detection.  When you start your movie using Cinema Mode are you still presented with the queue editor?  If so, you'll want to disable this by going into CV settings and under playback you can enable the hide queue editor option.

When I start a movie, I select it from my list, it brings up the information screen, then I select Cinema Mode.  That's it.  The sequence starts depending on what conditions are met, if none are met, I have a default one that runs.

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14 minutes ago, OTA said:

 

I think that started with a revision in 18.  My Atmos also is detected as Dolby Digital 7.1, even though I have it tagged and a condition met.  It used to work, but no longer does, so I'm presuming that KODI auto-detecting the audio is overwriting my tag.

I do not have to select a sequence.  Mine automatically does it using the auto-detection.  When you start your movie using Cinema Mode are you still presented with the queue editor?  If so, you'll want to disable this by going into CV settings and under playback you can enable the hide queue editor option.

When I start a movie, I select it from my list, it brings up the information screen, then I select Cinema Mode.  That's it.  The sequence starts depending on what conditions are met, if none are met, I have a default one that runs.

alright that's a little more seemless now, thank you for that, still only getting the default sequence to play and not conditional settings

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Alright, I believe that I may have just figured it out this time. Hopefully long story short, I have about 8 sequences in total configured. I never much worried about coniditions in the past so i just left them all to default settings, which is auto select and all conditions were "ANY" on 7 of the 8 sequences. I had the thought that while setting a condition on a disney only sequence is true, another sequence set with all conditions to "ANY" may be equal or more true than a specific movie type. So i disabled auto select on all other sequences and verified that the Disney sequence can be picked up (assuming this would be true at the time because it's the only sequence that wasn't disabled). Then I picked another sequence at random and gave that one a specific condition to only play during the "action" movie genre. I tested that, and a different sequence played.

So in short, I think that only 1 sequence can have the the autoselect on and conditions all set to "Any" and that would be functioning as the default sequence. Then all other sequences would have to contain a more narrow scope than all conditions being set to "Any" to be picked up automatically

Would these be accurate statements? 

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I will check my sequence this evening and see how I have them configured.  I only had a single condition on each of my sequences.  The only thing I know for sure is that if you have more than one condition in a sequence, they all have to be met before that sequence will run.

Just checked and all my conditions are set for "ANY" other than my tags for each sequence with exception of my default.  My default is set for "2D" under type and the rest are "ANY".  I do not have any 3D movies in my storage.

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my question is what good is the set conditions if basically have a different content path ? like the trivia questions is I wanted to only play Pixar trivia for a Pixar film I cant because the module only let's you have the default trivia folder .. Am I missing something?

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I don't have any experience with the trivia module as I've never used it.  There's not an option to set a content path for the slides?  The documentation indicates you should be able to have different decks under your trivia slides directory.  Are you using the .xml configuration file or have the slides specifically named for the built-in method?

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I have my trivia slides organized into subfolders, if you set the path at the .\trivia\ layer, it will read all, if you set it to one sub dir below, it will read only those set of slides

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12 hours ago, shredder said:

I have my trivia slides organized into subfolders, if you set the path at the .\trivia\ layer, it will read all, if you set it to one sub dir below, it will read only those set of slides

but then you have to set your content source every time ?? What i have done is make a complete new set of folders with different slides and bumpers the whole works.. for example i have one for Halloween that for that month i just select that content directory and it plays all my Halloween stuff .. i would love to be able to do it another way...  

12 hours ago, OTA said:

I don't have any experience with the trivia module as I've never used it.  There's not an option to set a content path for the slides?  The documentation indicates you should be able to have different decks under your trivia slides directory.  Are you using the .xml configuration file or have the slides specifically named for the built-in method?

I would love to use the .xml files but they dont seem to work anymore .Have had to rename all my old triva to the new _a and _a format I like it better anyway but the rating limit and other .xml attributes i cant seem to get to work..

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11 hours ago, MartinsVision said:

but then you have to set your content source every time ?? What i have done is make a complete new set of folders with different slides and bumpers the whole works.. for example i have one for Halloween that for that month i just select that content directory and it plays all my Halloween stuff .. i would love to be able to do it another way...

So you have created a different content path in CV for each holiday?

I can't honestly speak to the slides, however, I do not think there is a way you can use the date as a condition in a sequence.  What I've done in the past is just create a module for Christmas in my existing sequences and enable it after Thanksgiving and disable it at new years.  The module is always there, but I either manually enabled or disable it depending on the time of year.  Same could be done with any holiday.  You could have them all as a separate modules within the same sequence and just enable and disable them as needed.

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5 hours ago, OTA said:

So you have created a different content path in CV for each holiday?

I can't honestly speak to the slides, however, I do not think there is a way you can use the date as a condition in a sequence.  What I've done in the past is just create a module for Christmas in my existing sequences and enable it after Thanksgiving and disable it at new years.  The module is always there, but I either manually enabled or disable it depending on the time of year.  Same could be done with any holiday.  You could have them all as a separate modules within the same sequence and just enable and disable them as needed.

yes a different content path for each holiday , That way i can have theme specific trivia also and since i have to put the bumpers i want to play in a different folder anyway i found it easier just to make a whole separate folder structure for the holidays. I would like to use it with the date or studio but would love to be able to have it for the trivia also.

      

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2 hours ago, MartinsVision said:

yes a different content path for each holiday , That way i can have theme specific trivia also and since i have to put the bumpers i want to play in a different folder anyway i found it easier just to make a whole separate folder structure for the holidays. I would like to use it with the date or studio but would love to be able to have it for the trivia also.

      

I think we need to define content path as I'm confused.  Are you meaning you have a whole other set of directories starting from the root where you have to change the content path in the CV settings or are you meaning you just have different directories per holiday in your existing content path?

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I think I'm good to go on my situation, happy for this issue to be marked as solved. Thanks OTA for your assistance. 

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18 hours ago, OTA said:

I think we need to define content path as I'm confused.  Are you meaning you have a whole other set of directories starting from the root where you have to change the content path in the CV settings or are you meaning you just have different directories per holiday in your existing content path?

Yes a whole other set of directories at root So i have to scan the directory every time i switch sequences .. But its the only way i have found to have separate trivia ..  

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I can see how that would be a pain.  According to @shredder you should be able to just make sub directories under single content path.

On 6/30/2020 at 7:52 AM, shredder said:

I have my trivia slides organized into subfolders, if you set the path at the .\trivia\ layer, it will read all, if you set it to one sub dir below, it will read only those set of slides

 

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